Nina Verkoeyen: Meta Spirituality

Victor Furhman: And as someone who has entered the seventh decade of his life, I can share with our readers that life has many, many purposes, especially as we age.

Nina Verkoeyen: Yeah, Beautiful.

Victor Furhman: So, what is the Meta Self?

Nina Verkoeyen: Ah, interesting question. So, Meta Self is this new identity that is born within you. So, when you realize who you are, it wasn’t there before it arose and is being born in you. So, from the moment you realize who you are, this is the bridge.

So, Meta Self is the bridge between your old Self and what we perceive as God. And this is the junction between God and a human in a physical form. It is a human being who knows that he is God.

Victor Furhman: How do we embrace that?

Nina Verkoeyen: I would encourage everybody to watch this free masterclass. And if it does resonate with you, if you feel this inner readiness to explore meta-spiritual ideas deeper, then I would welcome you into the community where we work exactly on that, giving birth to your new identity of Meta-Self. Also, Meta-Self is this united Self. It’s just this one soul that we all share. So, in the end, we all connect in this one point of Meta-Self because when you give birth to this new identity of yours, it is no longer separate from others. So, my Meta-Self and your Meta-Self are one. See what I mean?

Victor Furhman: Absolutely. How may we incorporate meta-spirituality into our daily practices, and how may it help us make informed decisions?

Nina Verkoeyen: Yea, another interesting question. I would say that it’s not even about incorporating this into our daily practices. It’s about the first step, realizing who we are and then expressing who we are. Just being that in every moment of our life, enlightenment or realizing that your God happens every moment, it is not a static state that you reach once, and it’s there forever. It is difficult to put it in words.

On the one hand, it is there forever once you realize your true Self. But on the other hand, the creator recreates himself in every moment of being, every new second of our life. So, expressing ourselves as the creator means actually creating ourselves as the creator at every moment of our life. So, I wouldn’t call it a practice. I would call it just being in constant remembrance of who we are and making this constant inner choice of not forgetting, being who we are, and expressing who we are.

Victor Furhman: One of the great questions many spiritual traditions address is the nature of suffering. How does meta-spirituality address the issue of suffering?

Nina Verkoeyen: We are the creator. It is our nature, and our mission is to create this reality. We can not create, but until we know who we truly are, and until our identity changes, we will be creating, not consciously, not knowing who we are, hence creating conflict, struggle, and suffering. Our vision of ourselves and others will be distorted and will be in separation. And this distorted perception through the eyes of separation leads to us making unconscious choices that lead to suffering, creating suffering.

So trying to get to know who we are and trying to progress spiritually, we will use the only means to grow known to us, which is suffering, because haven’t we bought the idea that life is a school. We grow through adversity, and we become wise through life difficulties. Because having adopted this belief, we create more and more conditions for our growth, tough life lessons, and suffering. So, changing your identity is the only way out of this. Do you see what I mean?

Victor Furhman: And to that point, how may meta-spirituality inspire greater personal and collective change?

Nina Verkoeyen: When we become conscious creators, knowing who we are, only then do we have this ability to change the world. Truly only then can we make a new choice, a choice to not grow through adversity, to not create more suffering. This is a choice that can only be made when we know who we are. Otherwise, we will continue being this creator in oblivion, this unconscious creator who just flows through life without knowing who he is, and just not actually consciously creating, but responding, reacting to life to what’s happening.

Victor Furhman Nina, how may Meta Spirituality inform our approach to health?

Nina Verkoeyen: According to meta spirituality, when we don’t know who we are inside, when we feel this dissatisfaction, when we feel separate from the world, from others, or from God within, we will create an outer crisis in order to instigate inner progress. We will create all sorts of suffering, including physical health issues. We will use it as a means to grow, to learn from it like we will use it as a tough life lesson to extract wisdom from. But Meta spirituality teaches us that there is a different way that we don’t have to grow just through adversity, which will make us create more and more conditions for that growth, which means it will make us create more health issues and all sorts of other problems. So, there is a different way. This way is what matters. Spirituality promotes in order to stop unnecessary health issues and unnecessary suffering.

The other aspect of it is that, again, when we are not in connection to who we truly are. We go through life, not very consciously, making decisions that are not very conscious, that will make us feel burned out. And, like we are taking on untrue goals and untrue and pure motivations, all the things that will make us lose energy and make us feel wiped and burned out and tired, we lose a lot of energy when we do things that we don’t love when we do things, and our motivation is not pure. So all of that, which is just unconscious living, creates a lot of issues in our bodies. We get tired, we get burned out, and we require some rest and regeneration. And is there any other way for us to rest, for modern human beings, than just creating some sort of sickness or illness?

This is the main thing we use when we want to slow down, stop, and recuperate. So, we use illness to get back to ourselves and question what we truly want. Is this where I want to go? Is this actually what I want to pursue? So, the goal of Meta spirituality is to show a very different way of being, of, growing of extracting wisdom, not from health difficulties or other problems in life, but from the realization of who we truly are and our natural intrinsic desire to express that in our daily life.

Victor Furhman: What is the connection between meta-spirituality and psychology?

Nina Verkoeyen: Oh, that’s a very, very beautiful question. Very important to me personally because I was a psychologist. As a former psychologist, I love responding to this question, so thank you.

First, psychology aims to reprogram the mind. Related, while Meta spirituality doesn’t bother with the mind, knowing that our mind can be reprogrammed, it’ll forever operate in separation because the mind’s only purpose is to sustain the illusion that we are separate from the world each other, and from the creator. Meta spirituality leaves the mind alone. It bypasses it, transcends it, it elevates above it by creating another center of command, so to speak, another operating system that is not the mind. This is Meta- Self that we talked about. The mind lives and functions; it’s still there, it’s doing its job, but there is something else, some other self that we function through this new identity of our true meta-self or the true Self of the creator.

And the second thing is that psychology likes working with the past. While meta spirituality is anchored only in the present moment, and it doesn’t see any value in revisiting the past, that only recreates the past in the present. There are more efficient and less painful ways of becoming free from mind programming. Having been a psychologist myself and worked as a psychologist for a few years, I realized that psychology is not enough. We will still feel incomplete if we don’t connect with our true nature.

Victor Furhman: Many who follow a spiritual path are searching for something that’s called enlightenment. Is meta spirituality a path to enlightenment?

Nina Verkoeyen: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Enlightenment is simply the knowledge of who we are. I think there are a lot of, again, misconceptions about enlightenment and around this whole concept of enlightenment. Many people perceive it as some state of being that is very difficult to achieve, that is almost unattainable, and that requires decades of spiritual practice or years of fasting and all sorts of other spiritual activities.

But in truth, what I realized during my awakening, what God revealed to me, is that enlightenment is simply this knowledge of who we are in truth. And enlightenment can come from any medium or through any medium. It doesn’t have to be necessarily this crazy inner firework. It can be done through different means. Humanity needs to understand that enlightenment is our birthright. It is not something that we need to somehow deserve and spend years, I don’t know, in meditation and making some sacrifices. No, enlightenment is our birthright of ours, and this is simply the knowledge of who we are. And then our job is to express this knowledge in our daily life in order to see radical, positive changes in our visible reality.

Victor Furhman: Are there any potential criticisms or misconceptions about meta spirituality that you’ve personally encountered?

Nina Verkoeyen: Yes, a few. When we are not ready to let go of this game of suffering of learning, of being a student of life rather than being the creator of life. Of course, when we meet the truth, we will feel this inner resistance. When the truth came to me, I was a yoga meditation teacher, an awareness teacher who was teaching about past lives, karma, reincarnation, and all of these things for over a decade. And it was difficult for me to accept the truth. So there, there was this initial resistance of my mind. I couldn’t neglect the truth. It was so evident, so, so pure, so strong. It just took me a few seconds basically to accept it. But for many people, it will not be something that they can immediately accept.

And also like the saying of Schopenhauer that all truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. And third, it is accepted as being self-evident. So the same thing happened with Matter spirituality. I think that this teaching is not for everybody. It’s not for those who just got onto their spiritual path.

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I think it’s for those who have been on the spiritual path for a while and still can find this feeling of completeness. They tried everything. They tried different practices, different rituals, and different techniques. They meditate and do everything but still feel unsatisfied and don’t see positive life changes in their visible reality. So, for those, I would say maybe advanced seekers, for lack of a better word, advanced seekers, meta spirituality is a gift. It is something that they have been looking for for a long time, but it’s not for everyone. Eventually, it will be something that every human being comes to realize. But, every human being will realize the truth in their own time.

Victor Furhman: What advice would you share for someone new to Meta Spirituality and looking to incorporate it into their life?

Nina Verkoeyen: I would advise listening to the Free Masterclass, the Introduction to Meta Spirituality, and see if that resonates with you. If you truly feel that you’re ready for this if your mind is not resistant too much, if you feel there’s a chance for you if there’s curiosity, if there’s this inner intuition that this is something worth exploring, then I would recommend joining the membership, or, join our Meta Spirituality community, which has a lot of members and start learning how to express this knowledge of who you are in your daily life.

Victor Furhman: My guest is Nina Verkoeyen, her Practice Meta Spirituality. Nina, please tell our readers one more time where they can find out more about you and this amazing work.

Nina Verkoeyen: Yes, this is on my website, meta spirituality.org. And on the main page of this website, you can find my free introduction to Meta Spirituality Masterclass that I recommend everybody watches and, uh, sees if it’s resonating.

Victor Furhman: Nina, thank you for joining us and sharing your experience, wisdom, and wonderful work.

Nina Verkoeyen: Thank you so much, Victor. I appreciate being here. Thank you.

Learn more about Meta Spirituality and Nina’s Masterclasses at Meta Spirituality.

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